Vogler Presentation: Feedback

Today we presented our presentation. I think we did very well. We remained within the time limit and delivered our information in a clear and concise way. However, I do believe that we could’ve relaxed a little more.

I made some notes on the other presentations, however you can find all of the information in much more depth on the other groups blogs. Instead I made a brief note of the feedback we got:

  • Get past the selfish stuff and think about why you’re giving a presentation
  • Think about pacing
  • Look at Vogler as a well expressed table of contents
  • Engagement
  • Trickster speaks truth to the power
  • Grid alignment
  • Typography
  • Challenge Information
  • How others learn
  • Who are you talking to
  • Read more books
  • Other cultures
  • Be aware of your audience
  • How are you emphasising the important part
  • Research presentations
  • Research repetition
  • Make it interesting

You can view my team’s take on the feedback and our presentation here: Dermott, Siobhan and Lauren.

Vogler Presentation: Timing and Cue Cards

Today after both my lectures, my team and I  (Dermott, Lauren and Siobhan), decided to put our presentation together and keep reading the presentation until we managed to get all the information spoken in the within the time limit. We managed to get it down to around 6 minutes.

I also wrote out my cue cards:


  • Survive ‘The Ordeal’ and take possession of the treasure.
  • Physical, mental or reconciliation with a relative.
  • ‘Star Wars’- Luke rescues Leia, Death Star plans, reconciles with his father, Darth Vader, in ‘Return of the Jedi’.

10)The Road Back

  • The hero isn’t safe yet.
  • Crosses into Act 3, consequences of confronting the forces, may initiate a chase scene.
  • Best chases scenes- Darth Vader pursuing Luke and Leia.

11) Resurrection

  • Hero must be reborn.
  • Second life-or-death, Darkness’ last attempt.
  • Trial to ensure the hero has learnt from ‘The Ordeal’.
  • Luke ‘dies’, appears dead, survives, gains a better understanding of the force.

12) Return with the Elixir

  • A treasure, knowledge or a good story.
  • Hero is doomed to repeat the adventure unless he brings something else.
  • Isn’t always the same world.
  • Luke returned to the Ordinary World, the Elixir being the absence of the Empire.


  • Merely a frame.
  • Switch up the order.
  • Unique tales on the stages.
  • However,it will always be the structure for stories, old and new.
  • Simplest comic or most sophisticated drama.


My Part of the Presentation

This is my part of the presentation for Tuesday, I shall make cue cards tomorrow.

We also agreed on Star Wars being our chosen movie example and thus I made these examples.


-After surviving ‘The Ordeal’ the hero now takes possession of the treasure they have been seeking. Their reward.

-The reward can be anything from knowledge to something physical.

-The hero could earn the title of ‘Hero’ from their community.

-In ‘Star Wars’, Luke rescues Princess Leia and retrieves the plans for the Death Star, the key to defeating Darth Vader.

-The reward may also be reconciliation with a parent, such as when Luke reconciles with Darth Vader in ‘Star Wars: The Return of the Jedi’.

10)The Road Back

-Not quite out of danger yet.

-Crossing into Act 3 as the Hero has to deal with the consequences of confronting the forces of the Ordeal.

-If they have not reconciled with said forces, they may come raging after the Hero.

-Best chase scenes often happen here.

-Luke and Leia are furiously pursued by Darth Vader as they escape the Death Star.


-In ancient times Heroes had to be cleansed of the blood on their hands. The Hero who had been to the Realm of the Dead must be reborn and cleansed in a final ordeal before returning to the land of the living

-That is often a second life-or-death situation, Darkness’ last attempt before being defeated.

-A trial to test that the Hero has learnt from The Ordeal.

-The hero is reborn by these moments of life-and-death, and is able to return to ordinary life reborn as a new being with new insights.

-The Star Wars films play with this continuously. The original trilogy features a final battle, Luke almost dying and hen surviving having gained a greater understanding of the force.

12) Return with the Elixir

-The hero returns to the Ordinary World, but the journey is meaningless unless they return with some sort of Elixir. The Elixir can be a great treasure, knowledge or just a good story to tell.

-Luke Skywalker defeats Darth Vader and restores peace and order to the galaxy.

-Unless something is brought back from the journey, the Hero is doomed to repeat the adventure.


  • Ordinary World
  • Call to Adventure
  • Refuse the Call
  • Mentor
  • Cross the First Threshold
  • Tests, Allies and Enemies
  • Approach the Inmost Cave
  • The Ordeal
  • The Reward
  • The Road Back
  • Resurrection
  • Return with the Elixir

-This is merely a frame to be built upon. You can switch up the order or have unique takes on the separate stages, but in the end the structure can be used to tell the simplest comic book story or the most sophisticated drama.


-Luke’s new ordinary world or one without the Empire and requires that the joins the rebel offensive.

-After successfully destroying the Death Star he undergoes a change remembering Obi-Wan’s words he trusts the Force and comes into his powers.

-His return signifies that his friends and fellow rebels will survive to fight another day.

-Luke wanted to leave the farm, join the larger universe and make a difference that mattered. And he did. ‘This galaxy isn’t so far, far away for Luke anymore’.

I shall upload my final slides tomorrow.

You can view the other slides and research done by the rest of my team on their blogs: Lauren, Siobhan and Dermott.

Vogler Presentation: Summarising My Slides

Today I reread my chapter and read a few articles on my slides and have made a basic notes for each slide:

9) Reward:

  • After surviving the Ordeal the hero now takes possession of the treasure they have been seeking, their reward
  • The reward can be anything from knowledge to a physical item
  • The hero could also have earned the literal title of hero by taking a risk for the community

10) The Road Back

  • Not quite out of danger yet
  • Crossing into Act 3 the hero has to deal with the consequences of confronting the forces in the Ordeal
  • If they have not managed to reconcile with the forces at this point the forces may pursue them
  • Best chase scenes usually happen during this stage
  • Makes the descision to return to the Ordinary World

11) Resurrection

  • In ancient times heroes had to be cleansed of the blood on their hands. The hero who has been to the realm of the dead must be reborn and cleansed in a final Ordeal before returning the living ordinary world
  • This is often a second life-or-death situation
  • Darkness’ last futile attempt before defeat
  • A trial to test if the hero has learnt from his ordeal
  • The hero is transformed by these moments of death-and-rebirth, and is able to return to the ordinary world with new insights

12) Return with the Elixir

  • The hero returns to the ordinary world, but the journey is meaningless unless they bring something back, an Elixir of sorts
  • The Elixir can be knowledge or something physical
  • Unless something is brought back the hero is doomed to repeat the adventure


  • List of the stages of ‘A Hero’s Journey’
  • This is merely a frame to be built upon
  • You can switch up the order of the stages or have unique takes on each stage
  • In the end stories will always use ‘A Hero’s Journey’
  • Can be used to tell a simple comic or complex drama

I shall make the presentation tomorrow

Vogler Presentation

Today we had a meeting and after discussing all of our research we decided to split the slides between us:

Lauren: ‘A Hero with a Thousand Faces’ and Christopher Vogler

Classical Hollywood

The Monomyth

Comparison between ‘Hero with a Thousand Faces’ and ‘A Hero’s Journey’

Characteristics of a Monomyth

Dermott: First figure showing Acts in relation to ‘A Hero’s Journey’

Second circular figure

The Ordinary World

Call to Adventure

Refusal of the Call

  Siobhan: Mentor

Crossing the First Threshold

Tests, Allies and Enemies

Approach the Inmost Cave

The Ordeal

Me: The Reward

The Road Back


Return with the Elixir


We then gave each other a brief recap of what we thought each person’s slides should contain.

A Hero’s Journey: Research

Today my group worked out that what we are virtually writing is a summary of a summary. We decided to do some research on the author, Joseph Campbell and the definition of a hero.

Joseph Campbell:

-Born March 26th 1904, New York

-Roman Catholic

-He became obsessed with Native American Culture at a young age

-Influenced by Philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer

– His world view was shaped by the dynamic tension between his fascination with Native American culture and his active practice of Catholicism

– His encounters with artists Antoine Bourdelle, Pablo Picasso, Paul Klee, James Joyce, Thomas Mann, Slymund Freud and Carl Jung eventually lead to his theory that all myths and stories are of the same structure

-‘The Hero with a Thousand Faces’ brought him a critical acclaim and the first of many awards and honours

-Awarded National Arts Club Global Medal of Honour in Literature in 1985

-In James Hillman said ‘No one in our century, not Freud, not Thomas Mann, not Levi-Strauss, has so brought the mythical sense of the world and its eternal figures back into our everyday consciousness’


-The main character in a literary work

-Marks a revolution in thought that occurred when poets and their audiences turned their attention to the mortal man

-The mortal man is relatable because he fails, he’s flawed, he makes his own story and faces his own struggles, he’s relatable because he’s human

Christopher Vogler:

-Books and movies, fascinated him, especially fantastic tales of heroic adventure in other times and places

-Went to film school  and was influenced by two classes ‘story analysis for film and TV’ and an encounter with ‘A Hero with a Thousand Faces’

-Started working as a story analyst/story consultant

-Translated Campbell into movie language

We also looked at ways to challenge his work, however the main articles I looked at said that everything followed the Hero’s Journey they just had a unique take on the stages or a different layout of the stages.


First, N. (2006) Not everything is A hero’s journey. Available at: http://narrativefirst.com/articles/not-everything-is-a-heros-journey (Accessed: 9 February 2017).

Foundation, J.C. (2016) About Joseph Campbell. Available at: http://www.jcf.org/about-joseph-campbell/ (Accessed: 9 February 2017).

Staff (no date) Available at: http://www.thewritersjourney.com/staff1.htm (Accessed: 9 February 2017).

What great films do not follow the classic ‘3-Act structure’ or ‘hero’s journey’? (no date) Available at: https://www.quora.com/What-great-films-do-not-follow-the-classic-3-Act-Structure-or-Heros-Journey (Accessed: 9 February 2017).

(No Date) Available at: https://www.britannica.com/art/hero-literary-and-cultural-figure (Accessed: 9 February 2017).

Vogler Presentation Day 2

So after a brief discussion with my team, we discussed what we had read last night. As we are still confused about what exactly we have to do we have decided to make a list of what we should research over tonight and Wednesday.

We first summarised our chapter:

  1. Hero’s Journey
  2. Structure of Story
  3. Comparisons to Joseph Campbell
  4. Examples of Film

We then made a list of items we should research:

  1. Joseph Campbell background
  2. Christopher Vogler background
  3. Films that use a structure different to what was mentioned in the book
  4. Greek Tragedy
  5. Greek Mythology
  6. Hollywood Method
  7. Hero’s Journey

I also booked two books out of the library:

  • Joseph Campbell’s, The Hero with a Thousand Faces
  • Michael Grant & John Hazel, Who’s Who in Classical Mythology
  • Robert Graves, Greek Myths


New Narratives

Today we began to discuss narratives.

At the beginning Conann asked us to read an article on how Donald Trump was able to win the election due to mass data collection via the internet and social media.

In this post it explained how, by profiling Americans based on their social media and internet interactions Trump was able to give out a message for every voter. There is no anonymity online.  Conann wants us to challenge ourselves and challenge others, to create opinions and think outside the box, to be more than what our personality profiles say. We need to be more confident in our own opinions.

‘A story is what you want to tell, narrative is how you tell it’ (Ryan Beattie, 2nd year).

When asked to define the two Ryan c=gave the above answer. This definition is a simple and easy way of understanding, not only the differences between the two, but also what they are.

‘That’s why History is written by the Victor.’ (Conann Fitzpatrick).

Conann explained to us that we all learn different sides to a story depending on how we’re raised. If a conquering side tells the story the world will believe their side. However, the conquered will grow up believing a different tale.

Vogler Presentation

Today we got handed our first assignment which is to make a presentation on a given chapter form Christopher Vogler’s book ‘The Writer’s Journey’. My group is comprised of Dermott, Lauren, Siobhan and myself. We were given chapter 1 ‘A Practical Guide’.

Chapter 1 is basically a summary of what’s to come in the book. So tonight I summarised what chapter 1 covered:

A Practical Guide:

  • Joseph Campbell’s ‘The Hero with a Thousand Faces’
  • Look at George Lucas, George Millar, Steven Spielberg, John Boorman, Francis Coppola, etc.
  • Heroes, old and new
  • They are all the same story, retold endlessly
  • The Hero’s Journey: The ”Monomyth”
  • Carl G. Jung, Archetypes
  •  Different characters represent different aspects of our personality
  • Stories may be unrealistic but are psychologically valid and emotionally realistic
  • Research myths
  • You can retell the hero myth in your own way which is why the ‘hero has a thousand faces’.

The Hero’s Journey:

  • The stages of the Hero’s Journey
  • The Hero’s Journey Model

1) The Ordinary World:

  • To show a fish out of water you first have to show him in his ordinary world to create a vivid contrast (Witness, Star Wars, Wizard of Oz, An Officer and a Gentleman)

2) The Call to Adventure

  • The hero can no longer stay within the ordinary world
  • Establishes the stakes of the game, and makes clear the hero’s goal

3) Refusal of the call

  • Fear
  • Some other influence is required to get them past this turning point of fear

4) Mentor

  • The relationship between hero and mentor is one of the most common themes in mythology, and one of the richest in its symbolic value. It stands for the bond between parent and child, teacher and student, doctor and patient, God and man, etc.
  • Mentors are to prepare the hero to face the call
  • However, the mentor can only go so far

5) Crossing the First Threshold

  • the hero finally commits and enters the special world agreeing to face the problem from the Call to Adventure
  • Movies are often built in three acts; Hero’s decision to ask, action itself and the consequences

6) Tests, Allies and Enemies

  • Once across the first threshold, the hero naturally encounters new challenges and learns the rules of the special world.
  • Bars/Saloons are often used
  • Scenes like these allow for character development as we watch the hero and his companions react under stress

7) Approach to the Inmost Cave

  • The hero comes to the last edge of a dangerous place, where the object of the quest is hidden
  • When the hero enters the fearful place he will cross the second major threshold.Heroes often pause at the gate to prepare, plan and outwit the villain’s guards. This is the phase of Approach
  • Arthurian

8) The Ordeal

  • Here the fortunes of the hero hit bottom in a direct confrontation with his greatest fear
  • The Ordeal is a ‘black moment’ for the audience, as we are held in suspense and tension
  • We identify with the hero during the ordeal

9) Reward

  • The hero now takes possession of the treasure she has been seeking
  • Shape shifters

10) The Road Back

  • the hero now has to deal with the consequences of confronting the ordeal. Some of the best chase scenes happen here
  • This stage marks the decision to return to the Ordinary World

11) Resurrection

  • Darkness gets in one final shot before being defeated
  • The hero is transformed by these moments of death and rebirth, and  is able to return to the ordinary world reborn as a new being with new insights

12) Return with the Elixir

  • The hero returns to the ordinary world, but the journey is meaningless unless she brings something back

The patterns of myth can be used to tell the simplest comic or the most sophisticated drama. The Hero’s journey is infinitely flexible, capable of endless variation, without sacrificing any of it’s magic, and it will outlive us all

I also made note of a few library books I should check out:

  • The Hero with a Thousand Faces, Joseph Campbell
  • The Greek Myths Vol 1